jerpy Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Surprised no-one has mentioned drinking water. No chlorine and you will be using all that stored gasoline to boil your water... Me too for different reasons. See article and particular reference to Goldman Sachs report. The report said water was the "petroleum for the next century", offering huge rewards for investors who know how to play the infrastructure boom. The US alone needs up to $1,000bn (£500bn) in new piping and waste water plants by 2020. "Demand for water continues to escalate at unsustainable rates. At the risk of being alarmist, we see parallels with Malthusian economics. Globally, water consumption is doubling every 20 years. By 2025, it is estimated that about one third of the global population will not have access to adequate drinking water," it said. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...C-mostviewedbox Notice some quite funny responses to the article, for those who look for humour in such crisis calls. Riggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Today during my emergency shopping I found cheap candles and thought about replacing electric light with candles. After some brief research I found it is not effective, since candles made of paraffin wax emit less light than an electric bulb: "511. How does the wattage of a candle compare to the wattage of a light bulb? A 60 watt light bulb emits about 6 watts of visible light while wasting the remaining 54 watts of electric power as other forms of thermal energy. A candle probably also consumes about 60 watts of chemical energy (the paraffin wax) but emits much less than 3 watts of visible light. The light bulb is clearly not very efficient at converting electric power into visible light but the candle is even less efficient. That's because the candle flame operates at a lower temperature (about 1700° C) than the filament of the light bulb (about 2500° C) and the spectrum of light emitted by a hot object depends strongly on its temperature. The cooler flame emits relatively more infrared light and less visible light (particularly blue light) than the hotter filament." Source: http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/HTW/incandes...ight_bulbs.html However, I bought a considerable amount of candles for energy shortages which will ocurr WITHOUT ANY DOUBT! Check this "LAST LIGHT" trailer, a reality just months away from now: If someone wants to buy the book, buy it, however your money is more useful in a candle than in a book (and shipping charges). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I am trying to time the global panic, and it not likely to ocurr the next 6 months. This is because nobody yet knows about peak oil. Look at this chart: http://www.google.com/trends?q=peak+oil People were more aware of peak oil in 2005 than now. Here is the same chart by country for the last 30 days http://www.google.com/trends?q=peak+oil&am...=mtd&sort=0 I think panic & stockpiling will begin when China & India start querying for "peak oil" on google and right now they are not even at the bottom of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinBrick Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 btw, here is an alcohol stove, for those who wish to hoard alcohol for food preparation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywacnPUH66I...feature=related A solar oven might be a better bet, needing no fuel at all - just sunshine. Should be very effective in your climate. http://www.solarovens.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catflap Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Time to get serious about learning how to protect yourself, if we think that 'we' are going down that road..... Reminds of that Stockbroker quote from the 70s when the entire economic system in the Uk looked like it was about to collapse 'Stock up on dried food and shotgun cartridges'.... An allotment friend of mine started his first plot in the 70's because he thought the whole financial system was going to collapse - the demand for organic food and high food inflation is seeing more and more people take up gardening. Sales of vegatable seeds are increasing whilst sales of flower seeds have declined which might indicate that people are once again turning over parts of their garden to provide food for the table. All we need now is some repeats of The Good Life.... one of the most successful British sitcoms of all time which ran from 1975 to 1977. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 A solar oven might be a better bet, needing no fuel at all - just sunshine. Should be very effective in your climate. http://www.solarovens.org/ yeah you right, some idea crossed my mind, that I have to cut my dependency on liquid fuels, but it is very difficult .... I also found a solar refrigerator, good idea too: http://www.sundanzer.com/Home.html http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff2003/er_1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wren Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 All we need now is some repeats of The Good Life.... one of the most successful British sitcoms of all time which ran from 1975 to 1977. In this clip Barbara verges on the pornographic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPQwgOasqI Back on topic. What with all the truckers striking in various counries, we can see that some emergency provisions are a very sensible idea. I'm still working on my food stock buying extra every month. The oil situation and protests are only going to get worse in future. So be prepared if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerpy Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 An allotment friend of mine started his first plot in the 70's because he thought the whole financial system was going to collapse - the demand for organic food and high food inflation is seeing more and more people take up gardening. Sales of vegatable seeds are increasing whilst sales of flower seeds have declined which might indicate that people are once again turning over parts of their garden to provide food for the table. All we need now is some repeats of The Good Life.... one of the most successful British sitcoms of all time which ran from 1975 to 1977. Well aside from more mundane matters it also promotes an healthy lifestyle and yes i'm one of those expanding my veg area, makes sense with food inflation too! Riggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted June 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 In this clip Barbara verges on the pornographic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPQwgOasqI btw, did you see how sex industry boomed in the last 20 years? And US become the leader in porno movie production? Well, thats a clear sign of top in good lifestyle. When people live good in excess, they look for pleasure in excess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted June 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Regarding alcohol stoves, you don't even need to buy a stove , as alcohol is non-explosive liquid, you can put some of it in a can of tuna, fire it, and cook. It is called Open Flame. more info: http://zenstoves.net/Stoves.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted June 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Added also a small manual milling machine to my reserves. Just tested it, made a great floor from oak seeds. I also have been told that if you store coffee seeds, not toasted, they can last loooong time. And if you toast them and mill, they taste a lot better than those coffees in starbucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerpy Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 I was thinking if it would be a good idea to buy 10 tons of gasoline, an aproximate of what I would use in 5 years and bury it in the backtyard. In 5 years prices are going to be 5 times or more, so you just unburry it for personal use or sell to your friends. And it would be safe under the ground. You just need a plastic bottle for 20 liters or so to store it, and today it doesnt cost much. + some time to burry it. You may hire a tractor to make the holes so you don't dig much. And in 5 years or so, it would be like a currency, even better than gold. What do you guys think? I think there is a risk is if everybody switches to natural gas, the gasoline will be abandoned, but I doubt it will happend soon. At least you have for your own driving in town. Found this and thought it may interest you. How Long Can You Store Gasoline? June 17, 2008; Page D4 Q: I have several five gallon cans of gasoline in my garage that are to be used in a generator in case of a power failure. They have been there for several years as well as a tank full in the generator. Can this gas go stale? -- C. S. Legum, Norfolk, Va. A: Gasoline does degrade or become "stale" during storage. How long it remains viable depends on several factors including the container and conditions in which it has been stored. The gas in your garage is long past its due date, though, especially if it was stored without the addition of a chemical stabilizer. Many folks store gasoline, as seen here after Hurricane Katrina. But gas can go stale after a few months. I know it is tempting to use the fuel, especially with prices so high at the pump. Indeed, many times I have poured gasoline of questionable vintage into the tanks of cars, motorcycles and of course, the lowly lawnmower. Several years ago I inherited a roto tiller with a tank that had been half full for years. Of course, it started on the first pull and has run well ever since. Still, the instructions for outdoor power equipment like mowers, snow blowers and chain saws often recommend draining the tank if you don't plan to use the machine for a several months. The American Petroleum Institute recommends taking old gas to an approved disposal facility after, at most, two years of storage. But the gas may have degraded beyond safe use by then. To be safe, the trade group says, you should avoid storing gasoline from season to season. For example, if you fill the gas can in the spring you should use its contents before the end of the year. I haven't had any fuel-related problems. But I have heard enough tales of woe from people who have that I now avoid storing gasoline for more than a few months and always add a stabilizer to the container. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1213651581...nnelMain_Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinBrick Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 The American Petroleum Institute recommends taking old gas to an approved disposal facility after, at most, two years of storage. But the gas may have degraded beyond safe use by then. Here's an explanation for the reason old gasoline may be unsafe, from a powered hang gliding forum I subscribe to: As gas ages, the octane rating goes down and a portion of the volatile fraction gasses off in storage. The resulting product is quite different from what was . . poured into the tank a few months ago. This stuff (old gas) is prone to detonation. I once had to do a same- day rebuild and UPS a motor back to a hard working dealer who was quite upset about the hole in his piston! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Found this and thought it may interest you thanks for the link. However, I abandoned the gas storage idea, the new idea is to store sugar, and produce alcohol when needed. it is just time consuming & rquires setup... , however if peak oil hits really hard, you would learn how to produce it and make a machine to do that, if not, you just sell your sugar bushels to the same guy you bought it a bit cheaper. sugar's shelf life is indefinite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernull Posted July 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 today I just tested a vacuum machine, to package food. Really cool thing! http://www.foodsaver.com/ It creates commercial type vacuum, but it is enough for me. Industrial machines cost 10-20 times more. In a Mylar bag (http://www.sorbentsystems.com/mylar.html) , which does not pass oxygen (non-metallic plastic does) , you can store flour, grains and even silver coins safe from oxidization up to 10 years for flour, and even 20 years for grains if they are stored in low temperatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConvertedGoldBug Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 today I just tested a vacuum machine, to package food. Really cool thing! http://www.foodsaver.com/ It creates commercial type vacuum, but it is enough for me. Industrial machines cost 10-20 times more. In a Mylar bag (http://www.sorbentsystems.com/mylar.html) , which does not pass oxygen (non-metallic plastic does) , you can store flour, grains and even silver coins safe from oxidization up to 10 years for flour, and even 20 years for grains if they are stored in low temperatures. So how do these things work? I presume whatever you vacuum seal inside, isn't going to go off immediatelty when it's opened 10 years later? I'm thinking like the 5000 year old skeletons in the Indiana Jones films, when they immediately disintegrate into dust as soon as they're exposed to air! Do you vacuum seal a whole bag of flour? How long will it last when it's taken out of the vacuum pack? It'll take a few weeks to use up making bread from a whole bag. Or do you seal stuff in smaller quantities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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