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I don't follow this line of argument. The people in the old USSR have had their pensions wiped out by inflation since the countries went capitalist. Their populations are falling more quickly then those in the UK. So how will importing villages of people from say Sudan or Iraq change the amount they get to live off. Surely the new immigrants will compete with the native people for limited resources and the ruling class will take whatever benefits arise from immigration.

 

Many families are waiting to have children because house prices are very high and wages are still low. I believe that given affordable housing the native populations will increase. This argument about countries needing immigration to make up numbers ignores the possibility that the natives will start having children if conditions are right.

 

If immigration is needed to make up the pensions of the old people it should be put to a referendum.

The USSR model of socialism didn't work, and has been a struggle for some to adapt into the capitalist brave new world. Eventually, they will be better off.

Obviously, if natives have more children, then they will not need immigrants.

I don't think you will get a politician to admit that the UK needs immigrants, they will always state that the issue is under control, but behind the scenes they are actively encouraging it.

A pont worth noting here, is, as it is true that the developed countries populations are changing - in favour of more oldies. It is also true that the world's population generally is growing at an alarming rate. This will lead inevitably to more migration. Even though immigration is shunned by the natives of most developed countries, who try their best to accommodate social, or economic travellers, it brings an underlying discomfort.

Whether it is uncomfortable or not, it is a fact of life that western civilisations 'need' immigrants to fill the void made by the childless natives. These extra people will pay the taxes to support the pensions, and provide the market to buy up all the houses that the baby boomers will be selling as they retire. The housing market will stabalise, and may even keep growing, as investors buy property to rent out to the immigrants, and so on.

The world will keep turning, and everyone will live happily ever after. Well, until the food, and water shortages anyway - which will be caused by too many people on the planet. That's a long way off though.