grumpy-old-man

I think the UK & US are the current modern day Romans. It's not good.

one of the replies from that other link had this on: "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero - 55 BC" wow, so it appears that history really does repeat. 'those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it' very apt quote & one of my favourites. gold doing well today

for those who got caught with their pants down last year & lost a lot of money try to understand the importance of Legatus some text from the link: "Many of you will remember Reinhardt in 2008 who developed a cult following on the internet. He first appeared several months prior to the '08 crash on the google finance forums stating - "Crash is in September... and the negative news that will move the market downward should occur Sept 15 this organization below.. runs the show www.legatus.org... the money laundering occurs just prior to the pilgrimage to rome and the checks are written during the pilgrimage and the checks clear by September 14 and the negative news leaks out (something along the lines of "insider trading on a mass scale at a major brokerage) then they start crossing the "t"s and dotting the "i"s on Sarbanes-Oxley II" This discussion can all be viewed here - finance.google.com... He was banned from google finance forums, and he was dead on with his prediction and now runs a subscription service at www.enterprisecorruption.com " obviously there are many other factors that try to predict market patterns but once you understand that markets are crashed on purpose, then it all starts falling into place. Looking from just one angle can leave posters very blind. Quite often people only look at what they are told to look at, almost like a 'mind conditioning' of sorts, so they miss the bleedin obvious......in fact so obvious it's quite often in front of their very eyes ps - he never gets it 100% right, but I do believe he has called all the major turns, both up & down.

thought I would stick a reply in this thread Rigger. My virtual thoughts are with you, very sorry to hear about that. Bon Courage mon ami.

Hi Crashman begins & thanks for the welcome back.....I forgot to reply to your post & can't find it now.

indeed fitkid. I listened & learnt......& I am glad I did, for the sake of my family.

agreed. you definetly should.

I had been reading this.... good 'ol anecdotal eh....

I always delete all my posts after a few days on all sites I post on......sorry if I missed one from you. get some physical silver bought asap Rigger.

I was being genuine actually. Really..... what PM ??

JP Morgan ?? banks buying rather than shorting ?? just like the barrick gold shorting last year (iirc) ? or IS THIS IT...... h'mmmm, so much info & dis-info (JPM)..........??

have you got some silver rigger ?? I can't remember now....

didn't really know to put this one, so silver always looks a bit neglected & there is a specific reference to silver from Jim Willie latest (although I don't subscribe so class it as very good anecdotal): my bold..... a decent link & a good read "There are a few developments I would like to share with you. Two years ago in August 2008, we received news from Jim Willie that there was going to be 3 major failures and they would have a disastrous effect on the usa economy. We reported this to you. Yesterday, we got the following from the same source and I feel that I should pass this onto you: Subject: From Jim Willie A highly reliable sage source from the gold banking world and international consulting is loaded with deep insight, vast experience, solid connections, ongoing relationships, privileged insider information, and diverse industries tied to banking. He tipped the Jackass off in early August 2008 as to the weekend of September 15th being one to mark in history as three great failures would occur. He gave one month advanced notice of a locus of failure in three places, with great urgency. My guesses of Lehman Brothers and Fannie Mae were correct, but a blank came on the third which turned out to be AIG. He has frequently shared a viewpoint on the inevitable USTreasury default in the coming years. He first enlightened me as to the USFed resignation pathway to default, after it was loaded to the gills in toxic irredeemable impaired assets that no banks wanted. As buyers of last resort, the USFed would choke to death. Rather than a citation of path to default, he shared a great risk of a major event. He said, "The USGovt will devaluate the US$ by 50% overnight in the not too distant future. They need 11 days to do this. If they push it, they can do it in 6 days. So look for a long holiday weekend as an opportunity. The best time to do this is the Christmas / New Year time window. They tried to do it in 2005/2006, but the Chinese put a gun to their heads in Washington and they backed down. You can slice and dice it as you like, but the USDollar is dead and so is the Euro. The systemic change will be a cataclysmic and traumatic event for the West, since all it stands for will go into the toilet in a blink of an eye. The period immediately following the collapse will be filled with violence and total breakdown of law & order. Keep an eye on Greece. It is the guinea pig and incubator for what is coming to Western societies." He went on to mention some positive regenerative power left in the US people to reclaim their country and to restore its legal framework. Soberly, he warned it will be ugly, but loaded with great opportunity. So he sees a sudden massive USDollar devaluation with grand shock waves from vengeful reaction. end." then this also (again my bold/smilies): "I cannot highlight the passages as Dr Willie wrote the commentary on a paid subsription. However he did quote me and I can release this: GOLD DEMAND GOES GLOBAL ◄$$$ HARVEY ORGAN ON SILVER & GOLD. HE REPORTS THAT THE GOLD DATA LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A WORK OF FICTION. SILVER IS BEING DRAINED ON THE PHYSICAL SIDE. $$$ Organ provides fine commentary on the day to day events, shenanigans, and cloudy spew directed at the metals exchanges, as they scramble to avert their demise. He wrote recently, "So you see a massive difference in gold and silver. In gold everyone reduced their positions. Those that were long reduced their longs. Those that were short reduced their shorts. Even the spreaders reduced their spread positions. This is not normal behaviour and something big has happened. In silver, basically what we expect, as the large specs increasing their long positions and the commercials like JPMorgan increasing their shorts by supplying the paper. Is it possible that many of the contraction in Open Interest is the receiving of gold notices through the GLD? And not report on this? Ladies and Gentlemen: the gold COMEX figures just do not pass the smell test. Something sinister is going on behind closed doors. The figures just do not add up. Maybe I am wrong, but it is totally different to the silver COMEX market." end." it's that strange shutdown of the LBMA and the subsequent whisperings that has obviously sparked this recent flurry of doom.... we are very close folks.....can't you sense it ??

me too..... I would love to see a few of the good 'ol posters on here again, Pluto, cgnao & of course swampy. on a seperate note...... Ron Paul asks for Audit of US gold reserves.... "Texas (Kitco News) -- U.S. Rep. Ron Paul , R-Tex., plans to introduce a new bill next year that will allow for an audit of US gold reserves, he told Kitco News in an exclusive interview." "Though Paul did not say whether there is any truth to claims that there is no gold in Fort Knox or the New York Federal Reserve, he said, “I think it is a possibility.'' ok it's not exactly 'breaking news' but if the right people keep pluggin away. You would think the FED would commision an 'expose' live to show/prove all the naysayers wrong wouldn't you?

evening Goldfinger.

I disagree, for me personally it wasn't 'speculation' this depends on your understanding of finance, history, geo-politics etc I have learnt so much by listening to everyone, regardless of their stance. Only then can you properly formulate a protection & investment strategy. You must remain open when deciding things of this magnitude imo. I mean how many traders have not &/or did not see the major market turns.... imo metals are THE only real protection right now......

following on from that LBMA Zerohedge link: " the opportunity to obtain real metal is coming to an end,..." B.I.S. GOLD SWAP & L.B.M.A. DRAIN ◄$$$ L.B.M.A. IS DEAD, DRAINED, AND DEFUNCT. LIKE THE BIG BANKS, IT IS A ZOMBIE SHELL OF A MARKET ENTITY. A MAJOR RUN ON THE BULLION BANKS HAS BEGUN IN EARNEST. ITS PHONY STRUCTURE IS BEING REVEALED. SETUP STORIES ARE COMING TO HIDE ITS EMPTY INVENTORY. THE DATA DARK EVEN IN LATE JULY WAS PROBABLY DUE TO A SUCCESSFUL LEGAL RAID. $$$ It has come to my attention that coordinated raids of the London Metals Exchange have taken place, all very legal, but done in a manner that its officials do not realize the scope of the organization. Several buyers acted in organized coordinated fashion. The raids took place in July and continue. The buyers went into the market with a massive volume compared to what can be considered normal. The buyers were ringed around the globe, in direct communication. In at least two instances agents within the inner sanctum of the London gold market worked in collusion with the buyers, the agents volunteering valuable information where certain quantities existed. This data enabled optimal positioning for the trades, where demand was made where supply laid. The buyer then cleaned all the physical out in one sweep, with pressure given by attorneys when necessary. The sellers obviously had misjudged the buyers financial resources and inside knowledge. A degree of military precision was demonstrated, along with seemingly unlimited financial resources. Hints of hidden unconditional political backing was mentioned, for applied pressure, although in vague terms. No trace of their activity was evident, as would be expected with numerous high volume demands for delivery. No insurance register spikes were permitted, as the buyers flew under the normal radar screens when lifting the gold bullion without protection. The raid, or legal surgical removal, might have been the largest ever. They took advantage of deep insider knowledge, even deeper pockets, and precise execution team to pull off the event. In doing so, the LBMA members inventories were nearly drained. The London officials scrambled to replenish their raided gold supply. Members of the exchange are in the process of having cut off their entire raw precious metal supply at the source. On the following week, the LBMA shut down all trade data. THE LONDON METALS EXCHANGE SUFFERED A MAJOR HEART ATTACK FROM A GLOBAL GOLD RAID, VERY LEGAL. LONDON SUFFERED MAJOR DEPLETION OF ITS GOLD INVENTORY DURING THE COORDINATED RAID. THEY SHUT DOWN ALL DATA REPORTING UNTIL THEY COULD REJIGGER AND DOCTOR THEIR PHONY INVENTORY DATA. The financial press reported data darkness, but omitted the story about global coordinated legal raids on gigantic gold supply at numerous supply sources. They undoubtedly did not know about the raid, or were ordered not to report it. That would have been damaging for the gold cartel." can't be long now......

nice to see I made such an impact on you though catflap, as you clearly still remember me. I haven't posted for absolutely ages? & did so purposely to show that I could & that I clearly wasn't a 'troll' even though certain posters kept putting statements up about me etc........hopefully I have proven my worth in that regard & will continue to do so. other people's over-inflated egos you say....... also, it's amazing to see how some posters have now changed their stance & gold seems to be 'in' now.....as we still haven't had that massive drop that a few predicted. funny that...... great link discussing LBMA btw (sorry if it's already been posted): http://www.zerohedge.com/article/lbma-clos...nk-trading-data

are CID out of 1oz Britannia gold coins? none available on their website.

physical silver is so undervalued now, it's a steal at the current value imo.

Number 2 in cgnao's post below has now been breached, when will Europe & other countries follow suit? If you have pm's in any bank or storage, then it could very easily be confiscated: ZCZC CGNAOGLD2 ALL TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM BULLETIN MAJOR DERIVATIVE MELTDOWN ALERT NWS TPC/CGNAO SUN JUN 08 21:26:46 UTC 2008 ...BOND INSURERS DOWNGRADES TRIGGERING A FRESH COLOSSAL WAVE OF DERIVATIVE LOSSES ...UNPRECEDENTED CREDIT MARKET PROBLEMS AT LEAST ONE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE LARGER THAN AT THE HEIGHT OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION ...MONETARY SYSTEM ONE STEP AWAY FROM TOTAL COLLAPSE DERIVATIVE LOSSES SURGE, DESPITE MASSIVE INJECTIONS OF EMERGENCY FUNDS WORTH HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, A GIANT $150BN US ECONOMIC STIMULUS PACKAGE AND WHOLESALE REWRITING OF RULES TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL BANKS TO PLEDGE RISKY ASSETS TO SECURE HIGH QUALITY CENTRAL BANK FUNDS. SO FAR CENTRAL BANKS HAVE ONLY BEEN PREPARED TO LEND GOVERNMENT SECURITIES AGAINST PLUMMETING MORTGAGE ASSETS, BUT THE SITUATION IS EXPECTED TO GROW EXPLOSIVE IN THE COMING WEEKS. AS MAJOR BANKS, INSURERS AND OTHER FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD ARE HIT BY SPIRALLING DERIVATIVE LOSSES AND COLLAPSING COLLATERAL VALUATIONS, CENTRAL BANKS WILL RUN OUT OF HIGH QUALITY GOVERNMENT SECURITIES. AT THAT POINT THE NEXT DESPERATE MOVES OF WESTERN GOVERNMENTS AND CENTRAL BANKS ARE EXPECTED TO BE 1) A COLOSSAL BAILOUT SCHEME FOR LARGE SCALE OUTRIGHT PURCHASES OF MORTGAGE SECURITIES, FUNDED BY STRAIGHTFORWARD CREATION OF CURRENCY WHICH WILL IGNITE A DEADLY HYPERINFLATIONARY PRICE SPIRAL IN VIRTUALLY EVERY COMMODITY ON THE PLANET AND SKYROCKETING LONG TERM BOND YIELDS WHICH WILL FURTHER COMPOUND DERIVATIVE LOSSES WORLDWIDE. 2) DRACONIAN CAPITAL AND EXCHANGE CONTROLS 3) CONFISCATION OF PRECIOUS METALS PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT FINANCIAL HOLDINGS OF ANY KIND, BUT IN PARTICULAR GOLD AND SILVER BULLION, BY MOVING THEM AWAY FROM THE USA, UK AND THE EURO AREA SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. yep, some of us have been saying this since 2006 & buying since then at vastly reduced premiums over today's. I sold my French property (& then put every bit of currency into physical metals) because I believed this scenario would happen after spending a lot of my time reading & learning. If you own foreign property now &/or have currency in foreign banks of which you are not a national in the country the asset is in, how would you be able to realise any profit from these assets ?? Surely you are at the mercy of the lawmakers in these unprecedented times. Capital & Exchange Controls coming to a country your assets may be in very soon imo. I remember reading this in 2007: Capital & Exchange Controls will benefit Gold.

Please read the text below & link provided for Tungsten related worries. I always ask myself who benefits from 'Tunsgten' bar propaganda ?? I am not saying that fake bars & coins don't get made, but what if TPTB want to herd people that MUST buy gold ionto ETF's rather than physical?? I think any experienced bullion trader would spot a fake gold coin/bar a mile away. my bold clicky link “Nick from ShareLynx Gold passed on to me today the following from the producers of the video (all personal info was removed by him before forwarding): vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR ENQUIRY Das Video ist tatsächlich bei Argor in der Schweiz aufgenommen worden, allerdings in einem ganz anderen Zusammenhang. THE VIDEO WAS EFFECTIVELY TAKEN AT ARGOR IN SWITZERLAND, ALTHOUGH IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTEXT Unten eine englischsprachige Erklärung hierzu, die Ihnen einige weitere Hintergrundinformationen gibt. Der Barren wurde übrigens schon vor über 10 Jahren bei Argor zum Einschmelzen abgegeben; sofort entdeckt und aus dem Verkehr gezogen. Gefälschte Barren kommen extrem selten vor, unsere Kollegen in den Schmelzen können sich an keinen Fall in den letzten Jahren erinnern, in denen ein solcher bei Heraeus zur Aufarbeitung eingeliefert wurde. BELOW AN EXPLANATION IN ENGLISH TO THIS ISSUE, THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME FURTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THE BARS, BY THE WAY, WERE DELIVERED TO ARGOR ALREADY MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO FOR SMELTING; WERE IMMEDIATELY DISCOVERED AND WITHDRAWN FROM CIRCULATION. COUNTERFEIT BARS ARE EXTREMELY RARE, OUR COLLEAGUES FROM THE FOUNDRY CANNOT RECALL A SINGLE INSTANCE IN THE LAST YEARS IN WHICH SUCH A BAR WAS DELIVERED TO HERAEUS FOR PROCESSING. Statement: The video shown on www.youtube.com is an extract from the weekly German television broadcast Galileo that discusses scientific topics. This particular broadcast covered the topic of gold including testing the purity of gold bars. The presentation of the scene of (gold) production at the Argor Heraeus refinery – that was put on youtube.com in another context – when seen together with the text could therefore give an incorrect impression. The false bar shown in the broadcast was a bar not produced by Heraeus; it was sent to the company for refining and detected already at the time of delivery. Compliance Management at Argor-Heraeus is very important and plays an important role at the company. Among others, it has very stringent rules for handling and dealing with precious metals. Therefore, and combined also with strong and effective quality controls, Argor-Heraeus is able to assure the authenticity of gold bars produced by the company itself at all times. Internet: www.heraeus-edelmetallhandel.de Heraeus Metallhandelsgesellschaft mbH Heraeusstr. 12-14, 63450 Hanau, Germany So the video is about ten year old fake bars. Another example of commentators jumping the gun and hyping a story without any fact/background checking. To be fair, it really is only someone like Nick who has a worldwide well-connected subscriber base who can do that sort of checking. I also find it interesting that the video Zero Hedge linked is the only upload of YouTube user wolframgold who only joined on 28 Feb 2010. This leads me to a conspiracy I am surprised none of the more rabid commentators have come up with yet, namely that the source of the tungsten rumours since October 2009 is either a refinery/mint trying to scare people away from the secondary market and ebay and into only buying new bars and coins OR producers of testing equipment OR producers of tamper proof packaging! Nick also passed on to me a link to BullionAnalysis.com, which has some nice pictures of fake Englehard silver bars that their equipment would have detected. This does undercut RunToGold's conclusion from the tungsten scare that "if one is concerned about the quality of their gold then the other precious metals like silver and platinum are good alternatives". I would also disagree with RunToGold's statement that "detecting a high-quality fake tungsten gold bar would be extremely difficult. It would likely require significant and material alterations to the bar being tested and this would negatively affect the marketability if its hallmark veracity were vindicated." Ultrasonic testers will do the job without having to damage a bar. I quote some techo stuff from KK&S Instruments: The 1090 Flaw Detector allows you to look into the Bar for voids/defects as well as UT velocity which is determined the products elastic modulus i.e Tungsten Velocity is 5183-5460m/sec and Gold is 3,240m/sec. For example if you calibrate for Au then the testing Tungsten bar of the same thickness, the UT thickness would read approximately half the actual because of the speeding-up of the sound through the Tungsten. Problem is that it does require some technical knowledge to use the machine, so out of reach of retail investors and small coin dealers. It is probably prohibitively expensive as well. I also think that it is fairly likely that the unintended consequence of commentators pushing the tungsten story is to drive mom & pop newbie gold investors into the ETFs. Making the decision to buying gold is a big change for the average investor and you can be sure they are seeking reassurance. Sow doubts in their mind about the "dangers" of physical gold and you will push them into ETFs, because mom & pop see them as regulated and thus safe. The very opposite of what many goldbug commentators would want. I doubt they think about these consequences when they are looking for their next headline. __________________ Disclosure: All comments here are my personal opinion and not endorsed by the Perth Mint (who I work for) in any way. “

following on from Legatus 'R' posted a picture of the DJIA insinuating that it would crash in Feb ( he posted a relevant picture at the time, I remember it well), well today he is pointing towards this line from a link on his site: the advice is: "wise investors would focus attention.. to/on 1937 (check out 1866 as well)" "1937: 10/03/1937 (March 10 1937) Start of 2nd worst market crash of 20th century; Starting DJIA: 194.40; Ending DJIA: 98.95; Total loss: 49.1%; Total days: 386 1866: 05/1866 (April 1866) Market Crash (England, Italy) Suspension of Bank, Italy abandoned fixed parity" this has been a looooong time coming imo & will show the stock market for what it is, its been running on lies for months now, pure lies. TPTB in the US & UK (Europe as well) have been using QE funny money to buy stocks'n'shares using the coporates to buy their own stuff (no links provided just experience, common sense & a whooooole lot of reading ) hence pumping the markets up & suckering back in.

I wouldn't think he would have much in pesodollars tbh, probably just survival money. You don't get to that level & hold dollars or fiat in the current climate. As I stated on my last post, he is a big physical metals holder I believe.