drbubb Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 China's quoted Gold Miners : HK and Shanghai-traded Time to buy Chinese Gold Miner, Zijin ? Here's the HK-quoted share: HK-2899 / Zijin Mining ... update : 10d / ChinaQuote:CN-601899 : 10d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbubb Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Update... Compare : CN-vs-HK : HK-vs-CN Zijin Mining in RMB ... ChinaQuote:CN-601899 : 10d Zijin / Prices, late afternoon : HK-2899-- : $1.89 -$0.09 / -4.71% : $1.80-LOD is new Low for Year // 10-days CN-601899 : R3.02 - 0.01 / -0.33% : From a $1.82 price: Yield: 6.87% / P/E Ratio: 6.62 / 52 Wk Range: 1.80 to 3.30 From a R-3.02 price: Yield: 3.31% / P/E Ratio: 13.54 / 52 Wk Range: 3.00 to 4.18 === RATIO: R-3.00 to 4.18 / $1.80 to 3.30 : 1.67 - 1.27 Latest : R3.02 / $1.89 = 1.60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traineeinvestor Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I had a long hard look at Zijin a couple of years ago and walked away - the real issue (for me at least) was that I simply could not find out from the company's website, annual reports etc meaningful information about either mine life or how the ore grades and costs would change as the mines were exploited. Maybe Zijin has improved since then? Also, I would assume that the profit and the dividend will both fall in the current accounting period. It'll be great if the price of gold rallies but otherwise, I am not so sure????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traineeinvestor Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Just had a quick look - SCB has just released an underperform rating with a $1.7 target. Gearing is very high (RMB 16 billion in debt as at 12/2012) and profits are expected to take hit this year. I would not be surprised to see existing shareholders losing some more value with Zijin doing a placing. All that being said, like all the gold stocks, if gold goes up the the share price should fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbubb Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks, TI... Good comments. ... I was perhaps overly impressed with the PE ratios, and have not yet had a chance to dig deeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbubb Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 It is not only the Miners that are selling off. . Here's the Shanghai Index / CN--01 ... update . . And according to today's SCMP: "Mainland banks now trade at a historical low, at around One Times Book Value on 2013 estimates, on average. Such as: . Bank of China / CN:601988 . Bank of China / HK-3988 . Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. / CN:601398 ... update . Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. / HK:1398 . Bank of Communications / HK-XXX ... update xx . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traineeinvestor Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 As painful as it is seeing many of the shares in my portfolio going down, some value is starting to emerge - PRC banks, power generators and petrochemicals (as well as miners) in particular have been sold off very heavily. There is some logic to this (especially the power generators), but values are starting to look attractive. Time to start doing some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traineeinvestor Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Interesting to see that Zijin actually went up 2.7% today while the market was sold off quite heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notanewmember Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 ZIJIN I'm just poking my nose in here. According to it's website, http://www.zjky.cn/t...38/Default.aspx it is the largest gold producer in China. https://www.google.c...ance?cid=722879 ^The market cap for Zijin is 63,909m CNY. according to google finance. I rarely work with currency conversions involving billions. I'm trying to convert it to GBP. Sticking the numbers into the google currency converter I get; > £6,637m, so the company is about £6.6bn market cap. Can someone confirm? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbubb Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 ZIJIN > £6,637m, so the company is about £6.6bn market cap. Can someone confirm? Thanks in advance. Sounds right - it is a big number, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notanewmember Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Thanks Dr Bubb. As a earner of GBP, it has good purchasing power still. Usually the times I have visited China, the GBP buys a lot of stuff in the local currency. Typically a bottle of drink is 10-20p in UK money. Over in the UK a similar bottle of drink is 80p to £1.50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traineeinvestor Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Zijin fined RMB30 million and management found criminally liable for violations of PRC anti-pollution laws: http://www.aastocks.com/EN/News/HK6/61/NOW.549105.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbubb Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 HK:2899 / Zijin Mining Group Co. Ltd. (HKG) : 6/20/2013 04:01 PM Last: 1.68 -0.03 Open: 1.67 / High: 1.69 / Low: 1.61 Volume: 110,197,582 Percent Change: -1.75% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbubb Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 2899 may be at a Low ... ... ... update ... ... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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