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i regularly keep an eye on those - I ve not seen them out before of any bar. Someone with deep pockets came in and grabbed the lot in one go.

The second chap is Mort Zuckerman, a billionaire real estate developer. http://www.bostonproperties.com/site/index.aspx He sold a couple of properties in New York for $2.5 billion in 2007. He is a well educated gentleman and wrote about what was comming in June http://www.jewishworldreview.com/mort/zuckerman.php3 He is still buying property, I believe, at knock down prices - so he will be bearish! But I like what he said on the news all the same.

It really depends what you would do with the cash if you sold - go into shares or property? Both are going down. If you go all into cash/bonds, you are effectively supporting the goverment and the bailouts on wallstreet [in my mind anyway]. Part cash, part PM non-margined is the way to go, unless anyone can see a better asset class.

We are seeing silver priced as a industrial commodity at the moment. We still seeing bailouts across the world. There is a rise in in anger against this, just search for "bailout" on youtube. Until people get to a stage where they feel their tax money is being wasted to bailout the speculators, and protesting against the government to stop the bailouts won't work - they will get out of their currency. We've not reached this stage yet, where there is sufficient momentum to overturn the paper manipulation. But the shortage of physical metal is a good sign, and we will I believe see the day where the paper manipulators will be breached. It happened before, and it will happen again. Is it worth sitting on perhaps a possible 50% loss for that day for the fireworks to happen? I believe it is. Hold on.

Lol who is mysterious Silver Sammy. Is he the mouse in a cage that pulls the levers that sets the Silver price

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUUrlxhHWBo Talking about real money - bailout is not the end - very grim outlook.

I second that - In the Big Picture, Eric King interviews British Ian MacDonald, Executive Director - Gold & Precious Metals Dubai Multi Commodities Centre in Dubai. [Part 3a]

I thought i post it here too [its in the podcasts thread too] This is the most comprehensive lecture on money by Bruce McCarthy, recorded in 1984 - this man is a very dedicated man who spent all his life uncovering the truth. It is packed with references, and very relevant today. This is a must listen. Webpage http://diametrics.info/audio/ Bruce McCarthy's Monetary Reality Seminar Then right click to save as, the parts - its 3.5 hours long. Heres a teaser - did you know there is no such thing as a money?

I m feelin OK in silver ETFS. If it goes down 50%, Ill have to write them off, average down and leave it in there for the next boom in 20 years time. Pfft!

And now for something completely different.... No not really. Our inside spy in the US has another update [1/9/08], he anticipates theres more bad news to come in real estate. I'll let Mr Mortgage man explain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4upEgP7AbSY

Don't worry, I m not selling, but hopes in making a small fortune in the near term have been bashed!

The bears are making a loud noise of late, and rightly so. Right a bold observation by me here. OIL is breaking the 200D SMA here, so this is rock bottom technically speaking for the hardest of the hard hardcore longs. If it breaks $100 a barrel, then we can kiss the commodity run goodbye for the rest of 2008! I.e. more waiting. Fingers crossed! CRUDE oil ticker with 200D SMA http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/charts/bi...&mocktick=1

I see robert is pounding the metals table and its rippling across the alternative media - g.seek listed here too http://www.silver-investor.com/ see also 14/8/08

Old article but worthy of reading if you follow the Rothschild story http://www.kitco.com/ind/Vaughn/apr232004.html Rothschild & Gold By David Vaughn Apr 23, 2004 The following comments are dedicated to the announcement that N. M. Rothschild announced this last week concerning their exiting the gold market. Is this good news or bad news? I suppose it is really in how you interpret it. Personally, I believe they smell a scandal coming & higher gold prices around the corner & the Rothschild family will participate in no scandal. Anyway, myself & others, also, believe the news to be bullish for gold! Read the following comments below. “LONDON, April 14 (Reuters) - NM Rothschild & Sons Ltd., the London-based unit of investment bank Rothschild [ROT.UL], will withdraw from trading commodities, including gold, in London as it reviews its operations, it said on Wednesday.” “Why is Rothschild leaving the gold business at this time my colleagues and I conjectured today? Just a guess on my part, but suspect:” *SOMETHING IS AMISS. THEY KNOW A BIG GOLD SCANDAL IS COMING AND THEY WANT NO PART OF IT. …”*…the gold swaps/loans used to rig the price have about run their course – which means the gold market is going to blow up in the years to come.” *The days of making money on the short side via lucrative hedging programs for producers, etc., is over.” LeMetrople, 4-14-2004 The following comments below are from a commodities & gold trader. “Approximately 10 years ago Merrill Lynch decided to get out of the commodity markets. At that time I told our other brokers that this marked the BOTTOM of commodities.” “That prediction was spot-on.” “Now comes word that the World Gold Council is closing half of its global offices and laying off most of its important analysts. Not only that, but the venerable N.M. Rothschild, an old name in the world of gold dealing, was closing its gold trading operations.” “As Gartman (Gartman Report) said in response to this news... "THIS IS THE STUFF OF MARKET BOTTOMS, NOT OF MARKET TOPS... or at least that is what we have learned from the past when one 'cartel' after another ended operations after sustained periods of weakness in the commodity they were trying to defend and/or sponsor." Baird Montgomery, Commodities Broker, 4-15-2004 And from the Desk of Nick Nicolaas. The Macroeconomic Newsletter, Warren Pollock, April 15, 2004 “This move could mean the following; The political confidence of large wealth holders in the US fiduciary responsibility to global banking and governance through mutual interest may have been exhausted.” “LARGE MONEY MAY BE INSISTING THAT POLITICAL CHANGE OCCUR IN THE US.” “Significant derivative problems could exist causing Rothschild to have exposures on lent gold that cannot be returned to central banks.” “Rothschild may be acting upon intelligence it has via its political contacts regarding pending geopolitical threats which could include a wider war in the Middle East or the further isolation of the US.” “1. Rothschild may be consolidating and accumulating positions in gold in advance of a global financial collapse, or a US financial collapse.” Yes, I believe the venerable Rothschild’s are making an exit to make sure they are no where around when the gold scandal comes. In the past they have switched sides on issues when it was to their advantage. And now this move is most appropriate for them. I have to hand it to Bill Murphy for explaining it best the exit of N. M. Rothschild from the gold market: “ROTHSCHILD WANTS OUT BEFORE THE PROVERBIAL "S" HITS THE FAN.” BILL MURPHY, LEMETROPOLE, 4-18-2004 Continues from the link

Robert Kiyosaki crook or not, he will really kick the precious metals into touch. He has a huge audience with his books, internet sites and TV appearances over in the US. He was probably one of the main people hyping up the housing market.... in phase 3 of that bull run. I d watch this space, he has a new book coming out with Mike Maloney about investing in Gold and Silver - I believe this will be the start of phase 3 very soon.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index...17050602AAsDgq0 Best Answer - Chosen by Asker Will get much worse for at least two years. The elites who run the world economy are playing games with the economy, once it gets so bad they will buy business and banks and cheaper prices just like they did in the great depression. There is no shortage of oil or food, but that's what the government want you to believe so that you pay higher prices for them. When asking Western school children about the significance of Waterloo, the answer will be something along the lines of ‘the decisive battle between Napoleon and an English lead European coalition’. In fact, the future of the European continent was perceived to depend upon the battle of Waterloo. If Napoleon won, France would have been confirmed as the undisputed master of Europe. If Napoleon was beaten, England would have become the leading power in Europe and greatly expand its sphere of influence. What Western school children are not taught - for obvious reasons - is the much bigger story behind the official narrative, the story of one of the biggest frauds in human history. Nathan Rothschild, the head of the English branch of the Rothschild crime family, took advantage of his advance knowledge of the outcome of the battle by tricking the London Stock Exchange into believing that Napoleon had won. The resulting crash of the Exchange enabled Nathan Rothschild’s agents to buy the entire London stock market for a Penny in the Pound and seize control of the Bank of England. This shameless fraud was ruthlessly repeated in 1929. The private owners of the U.S. Federal Reserve, Rothschild subsidiaries J.P. Morgan, City Bank and Chase Manhattan Bank were awash with money earned by financing World War I. Using their market power, Rothschild’s agents first engineered an artificial boom in the stock market, tricking smaller banks and private investors into putting huge amounts of money into the stock market and then deliberately crashed it, enabling the Rothschild agents to buy most of the U.S. stock market. The ripple effect of the New York crash also enabled Rothschild agents in other countries, such as Germany, to buy local corporations at a fraction of their actual value. Eighty years later, it looks like our ruling psychopaths are at it again. They are systematically destroying trust in the U.S. dollar, causing holders of large amounts of green bags to sell them. At the same time, the Rothschild’s are preventing the European Central Bank from printing sufficient Euros for U.S. Dollar owners to exchange all of their holdings into Euros. That way Dollar owners are forced to buy gold instead, causing the gold price to explode. Simultaneously, the Rothschild’s are using their influence on the media sector to spread rumours of an imminent crash of the U.S. Dollar and international stock markets. As per usual, in the day and age of infowar, those rumours first started in the alternative Internet based media, only to spread into the mainstream business media. Last week’s ‘global stock and credit market warning’ of the Rothschild owned Royal Bank of Scotland means that the next Waterloo must be imminent. All it takes is a trigger such as a thwarted Israeli attack on Iran or the blocking of the Persian Gulf for oil transports, followed by a major stock sell-off by Rothschild agents. Once the world’s stock and credit markets have completely crashed, the price of an ounce of gold will be in the thousands, enabling the Rothschild’s and other owners of large gold holdings to buy the market for a fraction of their true value.

But a BUY confirmed on the weekly indicator [one star reliability] http://www.britishbulls.com/weekly/StockPa...icker=&Typ= Looks like some short term weakness....

Just finished listening - Robert recommends the five Gs Gold Gas [oil] Ground [income producing real estate / farming?] Grubb [food] Guns

Robert Kiosaki of rich dad poor dad is a guest on goldseek radio this week

B.Bulls Daily indicator - Trilogy complete now CRUD - Oil: BUY 19/08/08 PHAU - Gold: BUY 21/08/08 PHAG - Silver: BUY 26/08/08

I think if you know you are going to go bankcrupt, you buy all the gold you can... Going to ATS or another retailer may not work because the transactions over a certain amount are reported. Cheques or cash to Mr Smith will be hard to analyse. It is easier to bounce back with a stash of gold - is that how billionaire Donald Trump bounced back after 2 bankcrupcies?

Is there a possible GEI poster who wrote to goldseek radio [from Nottingham] talking about Turkey gold mining - are they here?

Wayhey BOING off 200D SMA $ 120 Graph of bounce http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/charts/bi...&mocktick=1

Stop press B.Bulls says BUY OIL on the daily indicator [CRUD ETF ticker] this could be the commodity revival we've been waiting for! Currently $114 for Brent crude. + its just above its 200D SMA average from my view point. I m sounding confident here - oh be careful too!

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/index.php?na...le&sid=5913 Gold and Silver Extremely Oversold ".....Large government mints and refiners are having difficulty meeting the demand and some are rationing supply to large dealers. Large wholesalers, retailers and institutions such as the Perth Mint are experiencing huge demand and even as spot prices have been falling sharply, there are little or no sellers and buyers are continuing to vastly outnumber sellers. Another indication of the sharp tightness in the bullion market is seen in the fact that premiums are rising very significantly on nearly all bullion coins and bars. Wholesale prices for some bullion coins have risen 2% to 3% in a matter of weeks. This huge demand is not being reflected in the futures market where the speculative hot money of large hedge funds and institutions with short term horizons is leading to materially lower prices. Leveraged margin players who were long have had their heads handed to them on a plate as the shorts are pushing prices as low as possible in order to maximise profits. Clearly, this situation is not sustainable as ultimately the laws of supply and demand of the physical metal will dictate prices and not the speculative and manipulative antics of black box, momentum following traders. Large, smart money is accumulating physical bullion away from the more risky leveraged casino that is the futures market. Thus, this latest of vicious sell off is set to be another sharp correction in the gold bull market designed to as usual flush out the weak hands. The bounce when it comes will likely be just as dramatic as the shorts attempt to cover en masse. Should some large players decide to stand for delivery of near term futures contracts when they expire, then we could see some real fireworks and gold will be above $1,000/oz in very short order."