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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...d=aEVdnjdCm1W0#

Debt Burden Quickens Power Shift as G-8 Loses Clout (Update2)

 

By James G. Neuger

 

July 7 (Bloomberg) -- The world’s most affluent nations will take decades to work off the biggest buildup in debt since World War II. The political costs may be permanent, laid bare at this week’s Group of Eight summit of leading industrial powers.

 

Bank bailouts and recession-fighting measures will explode the debt of the advanced economies to at least 114 percent of gross domestic product in 2014, more than triple the 35 percent of the main emerging economies including China, the International Monetary Fund forecasts.

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How much U.S. debt to keep remains in dispute. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Indian economic adviser Suresh Tendulkar have questioned the dollar’s dominance of the world’s $6.5 trillion in currency reserves.

 

The BRIC get-together failed to endorse a Russian call for diversification from the dollar, showing it is easier to denounce the U.S.-led world order than come up with a viable alternative.

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Why paying debt off for decades if you can inflate it away?

 

Anway, I read that the world has $6.5 trillion in currency reserves (presumably at present exchange rates). Central banks apparently hold 30,000 tonnes of gold. I conclude that the equilibrium price of gold is $6,738.33/oz at CURRENT exchange rates. Those might change of course, and also the general circumstances (that are still pretty rosy right now).

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...d=aEVdnjdCm1W0#

 

Why paying debt off for decades if you can inflate it away?

 

Anway, I read that the world has $6.5 trillion in currency reserves (presumably at present exchange rates). Central banks apparently hold 30,000 tonnes of gold. I conclude that the equilibrium price of gold is $6,738.33/oz at CURRENT exchange rates. Those might change of course, and also the general circumstances (that are still pretty rosy right now).

seems about right at that price

 

you get to a similar Figure if you value all the cash deposits held in the US - in the past gold has at least balanced out at or above this level

 

 

edit to add

 

 

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There is nothing new under the sun.

Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

Andrew Jackson

(1767-1845) 7th US President

Source: in 1836, Jackson forced the closing of the Second Bank of the U.S. by revoking its charter

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/andrew...kson_quote_4f92

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Posted on HPC - slightly tongue-in-cheek / Gold-talk on this too...

 

7/7/2009 Cnbc : Brace For "october Crash" - Enzio Von Pfeil, David Rosenberg - Green Shoots are little more than noise.

 

This guy warned you BEFORE the market peaked in mid-June

 

Podcast: http://commoditywatch.podbean.com/2009/06/...-tide-changing/

 

FTSE

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Just thought I should set the record straight (haha)

 

Personally,

I started taking some profits Tuesday on my Puts, in case market fails to break that support

== == ==

 

 

Although I didnt say it on HPC,

Yesterday I started nibbling on Gold etfs.

 

I bought back some of the short side of my "Bull Spread" on GLD:

+ GLD $ 90 Calls : OQAAL / $11.80 - $12.20

- GLD $100 Calls : OQAAV / $ 8.50 - $ 8.80

 

(originally Bought the Bull spread at over $3.00,

to have a position that would make money if Gold suddenly ran up.)

 

I also have buy orders in place on lower strike Calls for March 2010

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... I started taking some profits Tuesday on my Puts, in case market fails to break that support

Puplava (in his last show) seems to think the S&P 500 could go back to over 1,100. I think he is once more far too optimistic on the stock markets.

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This song is simply beatiful...

 

Good Night!:)

 

From:

 

 

News....

 

Yuan Deposes Dollar on China’s Border in Sign of Trade’s Future

 

By Bloomberg News

 

July 8 (Bloomberg) -- Huang Xinyuan, who sells mining equipment and pesticides to customers across China’s border with Vietnam, says he no longer wants payment in U.S. dollars and prefers the yuan.

 

Sales using the greenback at Guangxi Jinbei Group, where Huang is vice president, dropped to 30 percent of contracts in 2008 from 87 percent in 2007. The yuan, which has gained 21 percent since it was allowed to strengthen against the dollar starting in 2005, offers greater stability, he said.

 

“In recent years, the dollar has gone in only one direction and that is down,” said Huang, 45, in his second- floor office in Pingxiang, a town set amongst karst limestone hills and sugar-cane fields in China’s southwest Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, three kilometers (1.9 miles) from Vietnam. “Settling our orders in yuan removes a major risk.”

 

China expanded yuan settlement agreements last week from border zones to its largest financial centers, including Shanghai, Guangzhou and Hong Kong. The program is being rolled out across Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil and Russia, all nations seeking to reduce the dollar’s role as the linchpin of world finance and trade.

 

The central bank first brought up the concept of a supranational currency to replace the greenback in reserves in March. It will sponsor use of the yuan in trade by arranging export tax rebates. Russia and India said the global financial crisis had highlighted the dollar’s flaws and called for a debate before the Group of Eight leaders meet in L’Aquila, Italy, starting today.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=aTfv_xVi9efw

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This song is simply beatiful...

 

Good Night!:)

 

From:

some more music

 

and for those who want less war, less debt and less consumption/waste then the gold standard would help move us in the right direction

 

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/TheGoldStandard/

 

From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpz5eD9L4dA

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpz5eD9L4dA

 

 

 

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Puplava (in his last show) seems to think the S&P 500 could go back to over 1,100. I think he is once more far too optimistic on the stock markets.

 

I agree, he seems to have been caught up in the bullishness, a sign we are close to the top.

 

I note he did then say after 1,100, It could be 1,050 or 1,025. But basically he we recommending buying sotcks....

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Can anyone point out the significance of 6th November 2009 as per Jim S's "In The News Today" post on his website?

 

Why does he think gold will hit $1650 by 06/11/09? Is this one of MA's turn dates?

I'm not sure I'd follow his dates too much. I think he once said it would already be at $1,250 by March '09. Then I think there was going to be a launch by the fourth week of June. I'm not saying he's wrong overall, but don't bank on it.

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I'm starting to wonder if he's a little nuts.

 

I'm not sure I'd follow his dates too much. I think he once said it would already be at $1,250 by March '09. Then I think there was going to be a launch by the fourth week of June. I'm not saying he's wrong overall, but don't bank on it.
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GOLD /GLD : Break or Bounce ?

 

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I'm betting: Break,

So Gold can follow Oil lower

 

Nice break underway

GLD is at $89.10 -1.61 / Pct: -1.77%

 

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Can anyone point out the significance of 6th November 2009 as per Jim S's "In The News Today" post on his website?

Why does he think gold will hit $1650 by 06/11/09? Is this one of MA's turn dates?

 

Gold is on its way to $870 now.

You should be asking what will happen if that breaks. $800, and even $700 are possible.

 

I think some folks here may be in serious denial about what is going on now !

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Gold is on its way to $870 now.

You should be asking what will happen if that breaks. $800, and even $700 are possible.

 

I think some folks here may be in serious denial about what is going on now !

 

GBP going down the pan saved us from the UDS PoG last year.

 

Do you think this year will be different?

 

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Gold is on its way to $870 now.

You should be asking what will happen if that breaks. $800, and even $700 are possible.

I know what will happen: I will buy more. :)

 

I think some folks here may be in serious denial about what is going on now !

What IS going on?

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Yesterday I started nibbling on Gold etfs.

 

Gold is on its way to $870 now.

You should be asking what will happen if that breaks. $800, and even $700 are possible.

 

I think some folks here may be in serious denial about what is going on now !

 

???

 

I do appreciate your sharings, Dr B - but I'm often a bit muddled by your game plan.

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mmmm i've not been here long, but i'm also a bit muddled with Bubb on the Metals.

Maybe he's wishing the price down as he begins to make his move.

 

Over on the silver thread there seem to be a few of us doing the same with silver.

 

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